dream -illusion -reality /space & time ( manish & me)

soni_prash: abe hain kya
BUZZ!!!
manish .: haaan
manish .: bol
soni_prash: freud ne kya prespective diya tujhe..
soni_prash: short main bol//
manish .: sleeping mind koi bhoot nahi hota....its related to memory in general....
manish .: :)
soni_prash: it seems logical
soni_prash: but it may be the most absurd thing to consider in his era..
manish .: he talks about wakeup memory as quantam in nature....and sleeping memeory contagious in nature,...
soni_prash: u have experianced smthg but not able to remeber wether u have faced it in real life /or in dream..
manish .: no ....u are not able to recall that yes, u did go thru something like this....which is buried in piles of debris under ur memory.....n u start giving in to divine intervention...tho he doesnt rule out divine intervention in certain cases...he doesnt claim that he is the god-of the dreams stuff...but he is makin an earnest effort in dissecting it to whatever extent possible....
soni_prash: how do we know that we were dreaming..?
manish .: bcoz when we wake up we see things turned upside down... realtiy changes :-p
soni_prash: same may be applied to downside up when we dream..
manish .: very correct...again the reality changes....

manish .: :)
soni_prash: i mean why that is dream this is reality...what r the things which makes it different in respect to human cognition
manish .: now dont ask me which one is truth n which one is illusory... my personal take is both are illusory....ther is no such thing as truth...its illusion till eternity....
manish .: conscious n unconscious mind....ur conscious is not capable of reasoning out things....
soni_prash: what we define illusion as such is under the scope of our conscious mind
manish .: sorry unconscious is not able to reason...typin mistake...
soni_prash: illusion may be defined as indevidual reality to which mejority doesn't subscribe..
manish .: what do u mean by individual reality???
soni_prash: ultimately it is our (indevidual)cognition of the things which makes its exisance possible
soni_prash: i mean for indian cow dung is holi & for someone else it is shit..
manish .: everone has a reality of his own....its cud be called as reality or illusion....whatever u think suits ur confort level...doesnt make much diffrence...
soni_prash: when those indevidual reality confirms to others we call it as such reality otherwise illusion..
manish .: which cud also been as mass illusion... :-p
soni_prash: ya
soni_prash: now how can we be sure that we r not dreaming ..
soni_prash: science does thing as such eradicating prevailing mass illusion
manish .: i think if we go by cliched meaning.....I am always dreaming....i see a futility in everything u do.....it doesnt matter.....there is this overpowering common sense which tells me that its all deterministic JARGON that we are played with... life is not worth living....
manish .: right...
soni_prash: u r jumping to d conclusion ..
soni_prash: each & every action/ inaction has some impact on this world
soni_prash: so many parameters which affect the result doesn't mean one of those parameter is worthless..
manish .: mughe lagta hai tere mere sochne se koi nahi farak padta.... mughe aisa lagta hai ki kal main jo karne wala hoon woh pahle se hi decided hai....
soni_prash: ok..
soni_prash: but how do we know..?
soni_prash: means we don't know what is decided..
manish .: i am not saying that its 'THE ' truth....mera intution mughey yahi batata hai...
soni_prash: there is no fortune teller who could tell that u r going to do this & then u can defy that by doing ulta..
soni_prash: intution is about future//
manish .: we cannot know what is decided unless we know what is this whole ball game of cosmos....eg having life in one planet and destitution for crores of miles....
manish .: i look at it as if someones playing a multidisplinary game in which we are not even playing as pawns....
soni_prash: how could ..we r little bit autonomous..
manish .: explain...
soni_prash: i mean we can decide so many things
manish .: n how do u know that its not u whos deciding....its something else....
soni_prash: what to do or not to do..which definately change our imediate environment
soni_prash: no buddy else claim that ..
soni_prash: :D
soni_prash: so i gives that credit to myself..
manish .: hahaha...
manish .: now thats ur REALITY>>>>
soni_prash: hay kabhi kabhi aise lagata hain ki ,,if expansion of cosmos will stop then time will stop,,
manish .: kyon??
soni_prash: is there provfed relation between those two..
manish .: no i dont think so....
manish .: expansion has nothing to do with time....
soni_prash: no yar..
soni_prash: let see..
soni_prash: what is time?? it is our division with referance to something..
soni_prash: in crude level day & night..
manish .: abe time is also a poorly defined n an abstract concept...
soni_prash: then came the month which differed if referece differ..
soni_prash: so how could u define time without respect to speed (..let say speed with which our mother earth is rotating..)
manish .: woh observer pe depend karta hai....
soni_prash: observer is not stationary..
manish .: observer hai kahan..??
soni_prash: observer let say on earth
manish .: ok obs earth pe hai...earth negligible spped se ghoom raha hai....ab bol kya problem hai teri...
soni_prash: & he is observing a phenonmena which is the result of earth rotation around its axis
soni_prash: phenonmena hain day & night..
manish .: ok u mean din raat...
soni_prash: ya
soni_prash: & they r the unit of time..
manish .: abe din raat ko time mat samgh....yeh koi quantam thodi hai....gradient banta hai....din aur raat ke beech shaam hoti hai...subah....
soni_prash: which our ancesters thought of a presice enough..
soni_prash: i mean the whole cycle//
manish .: main samgha nahi..
soni_prash: since we r able to observe d cange we define time//
soni_prash: in reference to that change.
soni_prash: whatever it may be..
soni_prash: & that change comes due to rotation/speed etc..
manish .: abe soni kal baat karien....jeevan online hai... ;)
soni_prash: chal bye.. :*
soni_prash: rooh ban kar miloonga usko aasma me kahin Pyaar dharti par farishton se kiya nahi jaataKhoobsurat hai woh itnasahaa nahi jaata
soni_prash: aish kar.. :p
manish .: :)
manish .: =;